Addressing the Issue of the Keyboard Extension

@Firegoat7 said in #10:
> To be honest Lichess is a wonderful open source project.
>
> Ethically it seems that KB usage is only real for a certain group of people. I didn't even know it existed until I heard GM Andrew Tang mention it in his stream. I would guess that most people don't know the first thing about it. Therefore ethically it seems at odds with what Lichess is trying to create. An honest enjoyable openly transparent chess experience for everyone across the globe.

I'm not following the logic here. Perhaps it's a language barrier thing. KB usage only "seems real", "ethically" for a group of people? No. KB usage IS real, for everyone, whether they play chess on Lichess or not. And it does not "ethically" "seems at odds" with what Lichess is "trying" to create. They HAVE created a free chess site. The app is available in the app stores of huge, for-profit companies. etc.

I've seen nothing on this site which suggests KB is banned. Nor is it clear how Lichess would ban it. Sure, stick some text in the FAQ but you cannot tell whether a browser has an extension installed. You'd have to infer it from move times and other behaviour. There'd be false positives. It would probably make fast time controls less popular. It's one of those level playing field things; you too can use it, and if you don't you might be at a disadvantage.

I am saying that Lichess could simply request that anybody who uses KB extensions declares that they use a KB extension, so that others ,playing against them, know before hand. It does not need to be banned yet, but it ought to be declared for transparency. In this way all groups behave ethically and then Lichess can get accurate statistics on their game disruption.

KB extension users should be honest and accountable. Non KB extension users will be able to make informed decisions about their opponents. Lichess does not have to ban anybody for technology experiments. A win for everyone.

@Doofenshmirtz
No he's right, it does seem at odds with what Lichess is trying to create ie
a free website for EVERYONE. Everyone isn't the minority, of kb users. Everyone certainly includes the majority of Lichess users that don't have any interest in downloading specialized software and learning obscure automated methods of interaction that take the experience further away from the game of chess. And in case you haven't seen it they have an entire section in their TOS on Fair Play and Community Guidelines and while KB isn't specifically mentioned it doesn't take too much of a rocket scientist to realize that any software that significantly reduces the move time of only the user that has it installed screams unfairness.

Here is my suggestion to Lichess.

Make a button/setting where it says block ALL KB users

Then people who aren't KB can enable this and they won't have any problems with KB users. The downside of this is that people who have this setting on will have less opponents to play.

Also @A_0123456 I completely with you

@A_0123456
@Dangerouskid
@Doofenshmirtz
@Firegoat7
@FishNotADish2
@Linspiring
@passionate_player
@Ronak_Veligeti
@WillBeAGrandMaster

kB is banned. It’s external usage and is modifying the code of lichess to get a feature lichess dosent have multi premoves. Until lichess sorts that out. For now it’s illegakl.

@Ronak_Veligeti said in #14:
> Here is my suggestion to Lichess.
>
> Make a button/setting where it says block ALL KB users
>
> Then people who aren't KB can enable this and they won't have any problems with KB users. The downside of this is that people who have this setting on will have less opponents to play.
>
> Also @A_0123456 I completely with you

Sadly, blocking all kb users doesn't prevent you from being paired with them in tournaments.

@Doofenshmirtz said in #11:
> @Firegoat7 said in #10:
>
> To be honest Lichess is a wonderful open source project.
>
> Ethically it seems that KB usage is only real for a certain group of people. I didn't even know it existed until I heard GM Andrew Tang mention it in his stream. I would guess that most people don't know the first thing about it. Therefore ethically it seems at odds with what Lichess is trying to create. An honest enjoyable openly transparent chess experience for everyone across the globe.
>
>
> I'm not following the logic here. Perhaps it's a language barrier thing. KB usage only "seems real", "ethically" for a group of people? No. KB usage IS real, for everyone, whether they play chess on Lichess or not. And it does not "ethically" "seems at odds" with what Lichess is "trying" to create. They HAVE created a free chess site. The app is available in the app stores of huge, for-profit companies. etc.
>
> I've seen nothing on this site which suggests KB is banned. Nor is it clear how Lichess would ban it. Sure, stick some text in the FAQ but you cannot tell whether a browser has an extension installed. You'd have to infer it from move times and other behaviour. There'd be false positives. It would probably make fast time controls less popular. It's one of those level playing field things; you too can use it, and if you don't you might be at a disadvantage.

As it's been pointed out, lichess wants this to be a free and level playing field for EVERYONE without having to download anything. kb messes with that playing field. And I said that there's nothing on this site that says that kb is banned or discouraged, but it would be against lichess's own morals too, so I'm suggesting that kb be banned. Sure, fast time controls would be somewhat less popular, but maybe the return of players like penguingim1 may compensate for that as well as the gradual influx of unbiased new players.

@FishNotADish2 said in #15:
> @A_0123456
> @Dangerouskid
> @Doofenshmirtz
> @Firegoat7
> @FishNotADish2
> @Linspiring
> @passionate_player
> @Ronak_Veligeti
> @WillBeAGrandMaster
>
> kB is banned. It’s external usage and is modifying the code of lichess to get a feature lichess dosent have multi premoves. Until lichess sorts that out. For now it’s illegakl.

You can't arbitrarily ban like that. We need the lichess mods, admins, and devs to agree upon this and officially send out a notice.

@A_0123456 said in #18:
> @FishNotADish2 said in #15:
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> @A_0123456
> @Dangerouskid
> @Doofenshmirtz
> @Firegoat7
> @FishNotADish2
> @Linspiring
> @passionate_player
> @Ronak_Veligeti
> @WillBeAGrandMaster
>
> kB is banned. It’s external usage and is modifying the code of lichess to get a feature lichess dosent have multi premoves. Until lichess sorts that out. For now it’s illegakl.
>
>
> You can't arbitrarily ban like that. We need the lichess mods, admins, and devs to agree upon this and officially send out a notice.

What? You mean some random can't just create an account on lichess and come up with new rules by simply posting a message in the forum? I'm shocked!

It’s in the rules -__- external usage is not allowed. As long as they have the feature of multiple premoves it pretty clearly external assistance. Like multiple premoves isn’t a feature in lichess. And what are the new rules btw, how I saw hacking allowed? It’s changing the code to benifit a player, to a lever that normal gameplay can not reach.