Max time spent playing

@Sybotes said in #20:
> Why is it so difficult to see, @pepellou ?

What do you mean difficult? I made my points and gave reasoned arguments.

> Yes, it is public, and you can track my games. And you could write some software script even to find out my total activity on Lichess, even more than revealed by the profie page.
> But that would be some effort, wouldn't it?

Agreed.

I would compare it with the insights, for example, also computable but it takes an effort and you can select whether to share it or not. I think your claim is that this "time spent" should be like insights, i.e. that you could choose not to share it.

> There are some reasons not to offer these informations on a golden plate to everyone. @peppie23 suggested a couple of those.

Those suggestions were just silly as they all involved people doing silly things (wanting to keep in secret an activity they're willingly doing in public).
And that was my main point; it's the most useless number in the history of "informations" that people can use against you, all things considered.

> There is not much info on the profile page. Not where I live, not how old I am etc.

Exactly. Those constitute good examples of sensitive information that you may choose not to show.

> And though I think it is nice to see from which country my opponent comes,

No, it's not nice.

> but what use is it to see how many days and hours I have been playing on Lichess in the last 8 years?

No use at all, as far as I can tell.
I cannot care less about that number.
Which is why I'm surprised you care so much and seem to justify incredible uses for that number.

Again, it's such a useless thing that it doesn't make a difference whether it's there or not IMHO

Time spent playing is rough idea for other players to know for how long has the user been playing.

@pepellou said in #21:
> Which is why I'm surprised you care so much and seem to justify incredible uses for that number.
>
> Again, it's such a useless thing that it doesn't make a difference whether it's there or not IMHO
We agree in most points. It is a useless number in most respects. And I really do not "care so much". I just wonder: if somebody prefers not to show that number that is indeed useless for you and me, why not allow him to hide it?

@Sybotes said in #23:
> if somebody prefers not to show that number that is indeed useless for you and me, why not allow him to hide it?

Totally. I think it would be nice to allow to hide it.

> We agree in most points

I can see that.
I feel somehow my first message in this thread was misunderstood as if I was defending that the number should exist and be public.
On the contrary.
I was just curious about the "breach of privacy" claim because I can't see that.

@Akbar2thegreat said in #17:
> @pirouetti
> Such thing cannot be 'used' against us.
> This is Lichess not Lidate!
> Hackers don't need these, they only need personal credentials to use it against people.

I never said I worry about hackers in that matter.
As @peppie23 mentioned there are several possible ways of usage of that personal information and you might not meet any of them.
The simplest one that come to my mind is just to wish to show your nice game to family member or friend but you worry he or she can see how much time you have spent playing or so, and for whatever personal reasons it might be, one might not wish at all that someone he wants to show his game know these stats.

Why to even "defend" such stats to be there if there is no logical reason they were put in there in the first place.

@pepellou said in #24:
> I was just curious about the "breach of privacy" claim because I can't see that.

As said before, "sort of breach of privacy", not according to the legal term, but in a way similar to when someone in a metro peeps at your phone.

@pirouetti
For a player, gaming stats don't matter. You can see them exist on most of websites, apps and videogames. They aren't that important in any sense.

@Akbar2thegreat said in #27:
> @pirouetti
> For a player, gaming stats don't matter. You can see them exist on most of websites, apps and videogames. They aren't that important in any sense.

In what game stats about time spent playing are public?
I play Rocket League and stats about wins, goals, mvps etc are public.
Time spent playing (not to mention something as max time spent playing) is not public.

I guess making it optional is on lichess list already, low priority.
I believe they should hide these stats until they make it optional.

I do web design, that should take 1 minute in css:
.playStreak {display:none}

This has been discussed before on the lichess forum.

for example:

lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/account-privacy-everything-is-visible
lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/privacy-settings-for-profile

Some people would like to remove 'total playing time' from their profile. Nearly everyone understands that all games are available and that the data could be downloaded and analyzed to determine the total playing time even if it were removed, but this requires some expertise in database manipulation.

They are just asking to be able to choose not the display it so prominently on the profile for ALL to immediately see.

@EmaciatedSpaniard
Only a computer freak can get 'gaming' data and analysis. But that doesn't really matters to a normal chess player. It may matter to a player who is also a master coder.