@blackzombie What I mean is that I should be able to do both:
a) Offer a draw, opponent declines (or moves), and I'm still automatically offering a draw on future turns
b) Offer a draw, opponent declines (or moves), and I suddenly am no longer interested in a draw so I manually indicate not to automatically re-offer the draw on future turns
At the heart of it, what I'm suggesting is a simple 2-phase commit subject to the constraint that I can't immediately withdraw an offer I just made (but I want to continue making the offer in the future since the position is a dead draw and my opponent is wasting my time).
#11 Ok, I see! Yes, It could indeed be a meaningsful option to make a standing draw offer.
The only drawback I can see is it eventually can lead to confusion about when the draw actually was offered, if someone suddenly do a mistake.
Right, the only confusion is for positions which start as a dead draw (else, why bother offering a draw?) and then the opponent surprisingly blunders and now the person who offered the "standing draw" is no longer interested in a draw.
It's a very unlikely case and easily handled (cancel the standing offer); and besides there is great convenience online (where you can't see your opponent) in having a standing offer which OTB would be implied.
@mruknowwho #1 I agree.
#2, #3 #5 Just disable the chat. Unfortunately the majority of people in this world are scum!
#4 Disable takebacks in your options. It's an anti-feature. It does nothing but encourage trolls and cheaters.
There are also a lot more user behavioral problems than just those that your referred.
Even in this forum people that report bugs and bad interface designs are ignored and/or attacked. The bugs themselves are not corrected. I've lost my motivation to work towards building a better site.
On the other hand people whining about cheaters (even if they aren't cheaters at all) receive all the attention. Just search for the topic where someone claims that resigning is cheating!
My advice to you if to disable the biggest loopholes: chat, takebacks, etc and ignore the rest. Unfortunately other chess sites aren't much better in this regard and have a number of other problems.
Toadofsky, cancelling a draw offer isn't allowed and that would imply cancelling a standing draw offer would not take an effect before opponents next move has been done, If opponent blunders you can't chose to cancel for moves before opponents next move (after the blunder).
Shortly: A cancellation of a standing draw offer shouldn't take an effect before opponents mext move has been made.
blackzombie, here I actually disagree. If the opponent just moved, I should be able to cancel my standing offer.
However, if I move then a "cancel" action does not take effect until it is my move again.
A standing draw offer means it's valid even after opponent has moved (blundered). Therefore it's equal to offer draw after the opponent has moved (blundered). Then the offer would be valid until your opponent makes his next move (after the blunder).
A cancellation of a standing draw after directly after the opponent blunder should therefore not take effect before the opponent makes his next move (after the blunder). Otherwise it would be like offering draw and cancel it without any move made (which isn't allowed).
If you want the standing draw offer to be cancelled after the blunder by your opponent, you actually have to cancel it before the opponent blunders.
Since a draw offer, offered at any time, is valid until the opponent makes his next move, and can't be cancelled, a cancelling of a standing draw offer should not take an effect before the opponent makes his next move.
I had hoped not to get pedantic, but here we are...
Fine, it wouldn't be a standing draw offer, it would be a recurring draw offer automatically offered every move, except without an additional notification on every turn and also except if not canceled could be accepted on either player's turn.
Ok, now I understand what you mean. You are setting up an automatic system that puts out a new single draw offer every time you make a move. Then you are right that cancelling after your opponents move is in compliance with the rules.
IMO, opponent should then be notified about every draw offer individually, like single standalone draw offers, because this is how it will work. Otherwise it can cause confusion.
A common tendency also is that people having their own definition of fairness and they wanna enforce it on their opponents (takebacks, resigning, chatting, rematching ...). Then they overstep the limit to getting rude themselves towards others by bothering them.
Or they discuss it endlessly in forums. :D
