Cheat Deatected but I didn,t cheat

@glbert said in #10:
> that's not how it works. you can have all the analysis boards you want open on your computer – that alone won't trigger cheat detected.

Thanks for telling everyone how to cheat undetected.

@binjetzterstbeimArzt said in #11:
> Thanks for telling everyone how to cheat undetected.

not at all my friend. "cheat detected" is only the first line of defense, it is not all of cheat detection. just because i tell you how to beat this first line, doesn't mean you can now cheat undetected. anyone who spends even a second thinking about how cheat detection might work will not run into "cheat detected" anyway.

@Cedur216 said in #5:
> @lucky_Nan you don't know what it means when Lichess ends a game with "cheat detected", do you?
i do.
someone cheated...
used live analysis board!!

maybe @VedantVVDavvp did cheat...
just not confessing.

@for_cryingout_loud said in #8:

> Cheat detected is only triggered when you have an analysis board open with the same position as your board.
> So there is no way it can be done by accident you have to do it on purpose by making moves on the other board

@glbert said in #10:
> that's not how it works. you can have all the analysis boards you want open on your computer – that alone won't trigger cheat detected.

@Cedur216 said in #3:
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> So, what do you say about using Lichess' analysis board in a live game against your friend?

We had this situation with one of our team members today, in a 60+30 classical game in a Swiss tournament with manual pairings. Now we are wondering, as team leaders, how reliable is it? Is it "beyond reasonable doubt" or "on the balance of probabilities"?

We just want to be fair to the individual concerned but also to the other team members, clarification would be welcome thank you.

thanks in advance

@QueenRosieMary said in #15:
> We had this situation with one of our team members today, in a 60+30 classical game in a Swiss tournament with manual pairings. Now we are wondering, as team leaders, how reliable is it? Is it "beyond reasonable doubt" or "on the balance of probabilities"?

It could be unintentional, like theoretically it's possible that someone opens an analysis board in another tab, goes to opening book (which is allowed only in correspondence) and instinctively activates the engine because they're used to do that when they study openings on Lichess, let's say in their own studies. That's unintentional because they forgot they had a live game. It can happen, although the probability is very low.

What cannot be is an accident or a mistake of the site. Because an engine must be involved. Not only, it must be activated in the same position of the player's current live game.
Moreover, it can't be an accident because when you are reviewing a finished game and you get paired in a new game the engine you are using in the other tab gets automatically disabled by the site, precisely to avoid accidents. So in order for the cheat detected to occur the player has to manually re-activate the engine after setting the position of the current game.

For a 60+30 or any non correspondence game I don't really see why someone should go to another tab, set the current position and activate an engine. Besides, even without an engine that'd still be cheating because you're not allowed to play moves in another board, that's why you have the arrows feature.

Around a year (or two) ago I was playing chess with a friend and suddenly I won because of "cheat detected". My friend was like, "Oh yeah, I had an analysis open for another game." It is pretty unlikely that the game we were playing matched with the exact same position as the analysis board he had open in another tab.

@BananaBall it's not unlikely, it's a 100% certainty that it was your live game

@Deadban said in #16:
> What cannot be is an accident or a mistake of the site. Because an engine must be involved. Not only, it must be activated in the same position of the player's current live game.
I guess it can't be a lichess glitch or bug.

@lucky_Nan said in #19:
> I guess it can't be a lichess glitch or bug.

it can be *theoretically*, but the likelihood is extremely low. people act like "glitches" or "bugs" just happen randomly. they don't in most cases, that is just not how software works. the code in question has stopped games thousands of times, and there are currently no known circumstances that would trigger a bug or glitch. certainly, there are a lot of people who claim that there is a bug or glitch, but you need to understand that those very same people have a high incentive of lying, because they were just caught red handed. and interestingly, none of them are able to provide something even close to reproduceable circumstances. and it is quite obvious why. because, and i cannot be more clear about this: when they claim that they didn't try to cheat when "cheat detected" ended their games, their pants are on fire. they are full of shit. they are lying.

even the circumstances deadban mentioned above: they might be unintentional, but any sane person will say that starting an engine on your game position is cheating. even if you did it on autopilot.