I also played Ruy Lopez back in the day because everybody played it. It's a relatively safe and slow opening (it's almost impossible to lose quickly) but after a few hundred games I got bored with it. The same dry positions over and over again. You might as well play the London system.
The best chess opening is ... Nothing... Just play better and try to know what opponent didn like to play
@jesgluckner said in #10:
> Rather than being frightened of openings and avoiding them, you should try to understand them.
> Because there is no opening where you will always be in your comfort zone.
Yeah, strongly agree with this.
> Rather than being frightened of openings and avoiding them, you should try to understand them.
> Because there is no opening where you will always be in your comfort zone.
Yeah, strongly agree with this.
@pointlesswindows said in #11:
> I also played Ruy Lopez back in the day because everybody played it. It's a relatively safe and slow opening (it's almost impossible to lose quickly) but after a few hundred games I got bored with it. The same dry positions over and over again. You might as well play the London system.
Weird, I thought the one thing you could say about the Ruy was that you wouldn't get the same position every game - maybe they'll play one of the classic closed systems, maybe they'll play an Open Defence or a Marshall or a Modern Steinitz or a Berlin or some sort of Archangelsk, maybe if they're a bit offbeat they'll play a Jaenisch Gambit or Bird's Defence or the Riga Variation. I mean honestly, it seems intimidatingly complex, but hardly samey.
> I also played Ruy Lopez back in the day because everybody played it. It's a relatively safe and slow opening (it's almost impossible to lose quickly) but after a few hundred games I got bored with it. The same dry positions over and over again. You might as well play the London system.
Weird, I thought the one thing you could say about the Ruy was that you wouldn't get the same position every game - maybe they'll play one of the classic closed systems, maybe they'll play an Open Defence or a Marshall or a Modern Steinitz or a Berlin or some sort of Archangelsk, maybe if they're a bit offbeat they'll play a Jaenisch Gambit or Bird's Defence or the Riga Variation. I mean honestly, it seems intimidatingly complex, but hardly samey.
@jesgluckner said in #10:
> Is it?
>
> I don't see how you transpose into French or CK if you don't transpose back into it yourself, just don't go 2.e4 if they play 1...c6 or e6.
>
> For me there are really only two variations in the Jobava London.
> When they play d5 and when they don't.
> The first is just regular Jobava London stuff. The later will most likely take you into the Pirc. But that shouldn't be a let down anyway.
>
> Rather than being frightened of openings and avoiding them, you should try to understand them.
> Because there is no opening where you will always be in your comfort zone.
I watched this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o5UitW0bRM
Take a look
I just don't want to invest THAT much time in chess. I'm fine with avoiding some openings if I can
> Is it?
>
> I don't see how you transpose into French or CK if you don't transpose back into it yourself, just don't go 2.e4 if they play 1...c6 or e6.
>
> For me there are really only two variations in the Jobava London.
> When they play d5 and when they don't.
> The first is just regular Jobava London stuff. The later will most likely take you into the Pirc. But that shouldn't be a let down anyway.
>
> Rather than being frightened of openings and avoiding them, you should try to understand them.
> Because there is no opening where you will always be in your comfort zone.
I watched this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o5UitW0bRM
Take a look
I just don't want to invest THAT much time in chess. I'm fine with avoiding some openings if I can
@RamblinDave said in #14:
> Weird, I thought the one thing you could say about the Ruy was that you wouldn't get the same position every game - maybe they'll play one of the classic closed systems, maybe they'll play an Open Defence or a Marshall or a Modern Steinitz or a Berlin or some sort of Archangelsk, maybe if they're a bit offbeat they'll play a Jaenisch Gambit or Bird's Defence or the Riga Variation. I mean honestly, it seems intimidatingly complex, but hardly samey.
It's just too slow for me. I like to go out of book quickly. I leave all that Ruy Lopez 20 move variations to GMs.
> Weird, I thought the one thing you could say about the Ruy was that you wouldn't get the same position every game - maybe they'll play one of the classic closed systems, maybe they'll play an Open Defence or a Marshall or a Modern Steinitz or a Berlin or some sort of Archangelsk, maybe if they're a bit offbeat they'll play a Jaenisch Gambit or Bird's Defence or the Riga Variation. I mean honestly, it seems intimidatingly complex, but hardly samey.
It's just too slow for me. I like to go out of book quickly. I leave all that Ruy Lopez 20 move variations to GMs.
@I_Hate_Chess38 said in #15:
> I watched this:
>
> Take a look
> I just don't want to invest THAT much time in chess. I'm fine with avoiding some openings if I can
Well from my experience, having played the Jobava for some time, there are only those two variations which get played equaly often, so neither should be off beat if you gained some experience.
Hanging Pawns video is detailed, but for our level, non of the stuff applies.
But if I still couldn't convince you the better alternative would be to stick to 1.e4 and play the KIA against anything you don't like, like someone already suggested I believe.
> I watched this:
>
> Take a look
> I just don't want to invest THAT much time in chess. I'm fine with avoiding some openings if I can
Well from my experience, having played the Jobava for some time, there are only those two variations which get played equaly often, so neither should be off beat if you gained some experience.
Hanging Pawns video is detailed, but for our level, non of the stuff applies.
But if I still couldn't convince you the better alternative would be to stick to 1.e4 and play the KIA against anything you don't like, like someone already suggested I believe.
I don't ever want to think about the Rapport-Jobava system ever again after this marathon of a game from a year ago.
Perhaps consider: My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White
www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
or Opening Repertoire 1 e4.
www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7819.pdf
For many, a good starting point (for openings) would be:
"... For beginning players, [the book, Discovering Chess Openings by GM Emms,] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
www.amazon.com/Discovering-Chess-Openings-Building-Principles/dp/1857444191?asin=1857444191&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1
www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
or Opening Repertoire 1 e4.
www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7819.pdf
For many, a good starting point (for openings) would be:
"... For beginning players, [the book, Discovering Chess Openings by GM Emms,] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/https://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
www.amazon.com/Discovering-Chess-Openings-Building-Principles/dp/1857444191?asin=1857444191&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1
the best opening is to avoid the opponent's opening (sometimes only) so you avoid their preparation (preparation meaning you play the opponent alot and you know he will will prepare especially for big events), otherwise, just play what u know best! in this case ruy lopez, a powerful opening if your opponent doesnt know it. Try to use different openings tho
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