Clarkey that's unfortunate you assume I missed the point. Perhaps I should have been more clear in my post. I will take a little more time to point out it is effortless to press F12 ((!)) on my laptop. The reason I posted is because you are talking about rated, had it been casual I would just click play on the upper left hand side of the page once the connection indicator turned grey and go about my day without another thought. My statement stands as posted.
After a small amount of inspection, on all operating systems (Ubuntu, OS X, Windows) trying to exit the browser using a shortcut (i.e. Command + Q, ALT + F4), the browser will still capture the unload event and be able to throw an alert at you (try it for yourself, go to Facebook, type something into the status field, then navigate away from the page).
If you really wanted to open the activity monitor of your computer and kill the process manually, be my guest, but most people who rage-quit aren't that fussed, they generally just leave the page like a normal person.
Most people who rage-quit don't even leave lichess, they just go to the homepage and start a new game without resigning. Under those conditions, the user will still be given a minute to rejoin.
If you really wanted to open the activity monitor of your computer and kill the process manually, be my guest, but most people who rage-quit aren't that fussed, they generally just leave the page like a normal person.
Most people who rage-quit don't even leave lichess, they just go to the homepage and start a new game without resigning. Under those conditions, the user will still be given a minute to rejoin.
@myfingerpoints, you're going to need to come up with more of an argument than "Keep it" if you're going to make a point.
I love the force resignation. People never lose connection when their position is better which is already proof positive that disconnection is caused by a bad chess position. This in turn means that it is simply lame-ass behaviour that need not be facilitated. As was said; it merely gives trolls and immature another way to be as unsportsmanlike as possible.
Mephisto; chess online is not the same as chess in OTB tournaments. There is no TD and will never be one. Rules that make sense in the one (i.e. you have to contact the TD) therefore do not have any bearing on the other.
and this shit:
"Anyone who wastes away complaining that their opponent left the board without resigning is an impatient, ungrateful ass and lacks the tournament experience to understand that the win itself is the serious goal."
you can shove back up your ass. The goal is to play chess not 'the win itself' and calling people who have a different view asses who are ungrateful and lack experience merely reflects badly on you.
Same goes for this:
"the immature "well I'm not waiting on my opponent; I'm just going to assume he ditched me so I'll be the TD and claim my own win"
Seriously, why the fuck call people immature unless you are 15 or something. Again, where the sun don't shine.
Also, this:
Clarkey: Most people who rage-quit don't even leave lichess, they just go to the homepage and start a new game without resigning.
is the best argument in favor of the force resignation. Why should the unsportsmanlike fuckers get to play another game while you are waiting. It is the lamest fucking thing to do and (aside from calling someone's mother a whore) the most insulting. Frankly I feel that people should not be able to play another rated game while still supposedly playing one. My fav. trick is to simply join their new game (and their new game, and their new game) and make them wait. One good turn...
Mephisto; chess online is not the same as chess in OTB tournaments. There is no TD and will never be one. Rules that make sense in the one (i.e. you have to contact the TD) therefore do not have any bearing on the other.
and this shit:
"Anyone who wastes away complaining that their opponent left the board without resigning is an impatient, ungrateful ass and lacks the tournament experience to understand that the win itself is the serious goal."
you can shove back up your ass. The goal is to play chess not 'the win itself' and calling people who have a different view asses who are ungrateful and lack experience merely reflects badly on you.
Same goes for this:
"the immature "well I'm not waiting on my opponent; I'm just going to assume he ditched me so I'll be the TD and claim my own win"
Seriously, why the fuck call people immature unless you are 15 or something. Again, where the sun don't shine.
Also, this:
Clarkey: Most people who rage-quit don't even leave lichess, they just go to the homepage and start a new game without resigning.
is the best argument in favor of the force resignation. Why should the unsportsmanlike fuckers get to play another game while you are waiting. It is the lamest fucking thing to do and (aside from calling someone's mother a whore) the most insulting. Frankly I feel that people should not be able to play another rated game while still supposedly playing one. My fav. trick is to simply join their new game (and their new game, and their new game) and make them wait. One good turn...
"is the best argument in favor of the force resignation. Why should the unsportsmanlike fuckers get to play another game while you are waiting. It is the lamest fucking thing to do and (aside from calling someone's mother a whore) the most insulting. Frankly I feel that people should not be able to play another rated game while still supposedly playing one. My fav. trick is to simply join their new game (and their new game, and their new game) and make them wait. One good turn..."
I'm not saying the force resignation feature should be removed. I'll repeat this one more time, "if the player navigates away from the page (i.e. via closing the window, refreshing the page, or clicking on an external link), the player will be given 1 minute until the option to force resign is enabled." This part is exactly the same as the rule currently is, and is fine.
The change that I want to make is: if you lose connection during a rated game, you're given the full time on the clock to rejoin. Those 'fuckers' don't claim any advantage from this system. Only people who legitimately lose connection and plan to continue playing upon rejoining gain an advantage. (as I've said multiple times, it's pretty easy to determine the nature of a user's disconnection.)
I don't see why there's so much resistance to this change.
I'm not saying the force resignation feature should be removed. I'll repeat this one more time, "if the player navigates away from the page (i.e. via closing the window, refreshing the page, or clicking on an external link), the player will be given 1 minute until the option to force resign is enabled." This part is exactly the same as the rule currently is, and is fine.
The change that I want to make is: if you lose connection during a rated game, you're given the full time on the clock to rejoin. Those 'fuckers' don't claim any advantage from this system. Only people who legitimately lose connection and plan to continue playing upon rejoining gain an advantage. (as I've said multiple times, it's pretty easy to determine the nature of a user's disconnection.)
I don't see why there's so much resistance to this change.
If this is about popular opinion, I don't have to justify anything. But just so you have something to read, I think it should stay for the reasons it was originally installed: to not have to deal with rage quitters. Almost every single time someone disappears from a game is because they're in a losing position. And just like everyone else, I don't want to wait for the clock to run out for the game to end. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Now, if thibault wants to disable the force resign for rated games, that's not unreasonable.
Have you even acknowledged that I'm not talking about removing the force resign feature for rated games. I'm talking about amending to it.
No. But I just read it and that sounds fine. Other sites let users see the other user's connection strength. If thibault can and wants to do it, I'd be in favor of that.
[legovogel] "Mephisto; chess online is not the same as chess in OTB tournaments."
Too bad. Yes it is, because:
In OTB tournaments, if your opponent leaves the board, you don't get to force resign. You're forced to wait for his time to run out, or do something productive in the meantime, so you can take the win.
This is NOT about Internet connection problems and blaming people for having bad Internet.
That's what the time limit is for. If their Internet sucks, they lose on time.
Same thing in any other rated chess event: You can NEVER force anyone's resignation because you are not the TD, regardless of whether they left the board and are trying to piss you off because it's one move before mate.
"The goal is to play chess not 'the win itself' and calling people who have a different view asses who are ungrateful and lack experience merely reflects badly on you."
No, see, this is the part where your own argument gets turned against you.
Now you're trying to say that the point of chess isn't to win; it's to play it.
Yet you're complaining that everyone should have the right to FORCE their win if their opponent chooses to leave the game without resigning.
You're a hypocrite.
It's turning a matter of fact-based argument into a matter of your own views that constitutes assiness, and the FACT is that you can never claim your own win for your opponent in a rated, professional game.
End of story.
Back to talking about Clarkey's idea about distinguishing between internet dropout vs. leaving the game intentionally for casual chess.
Too bad. Yes it is, because:
In OTB tournaments, if your opponent leaves the board, you don't get to force resign. You're forced to wait for his time to run out, or do something productive in the meantime, so you can take the win.
This is NOT about Internet connection problems and blaming people for having bad Internet.
That's what the time limit is for. If their Internet sucks, they lose on time.
Same thing in any other rated chess event: You can NEVER force anyone's resignation because you are not the TD, regardless of whether they left the board and are trying to piss you off because it's one move before mate.
"The goal is to play chess not 'the win itself' and calling people who have a different view asses who are ungrateful and lack experience merely reflects badly on you."
No, see, this is the part where your own argument gets turned against you.
Now you're trying to say that the point of chess isn't to win; it's to play it.
Yet you're complaining that everyone should have the right to FORCE their win if their opponent chooses to leave the game without resigning.
You're a hypocrite.
It's turning a matter of fact-based argument into a matter of your own views that constitutes assiness, and the FACT is that you can never claim your own win for your opponent in a rated, professional game.
End of story.
Back to talking about Clarkey's idea about distinguishing between internet dropout vs. leaving the game intentionally for casual chess.
Alright. I did not read all the above posts, but instead I've been coding.
So here is the thing. I've been using websocket messages to notify page unload. It's quite experimental but if it works correctly, then:
- ragequit timeout (non-redirect page unload) is now 20 seconds
- disconnect timeout (generally caused by loss of Internet connection) is now 3 minutes
So here is the thing. I've been using websocket messages to notify page unload. It's quite experimental but if it works correctly, then:
- ragequit timeout (non-redirect page unload) is now 20 seconds
- disconnect timeout (generally caused by loss of Internet connection) is now 3 minutes
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