Doesn't look too bad if you are prepared and black is not, but keep in mind this is probably not sound objectively. In your variation: 1. c4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Bd6 4. d4 c6 5. e4?! cannot be a good move because 5. ..fxe3 6. Bd3 Nf6! 7. Bxe3 Qe7 8. Qe2 Ng4 forces a queen trade so white's best hope is holding an endgame with a pawn down. For some reason stockfish doesn't immediately say "-1", but if you feed it sensible moves it quickly comes to the correct assessment that white just doesn't have anything. So when e4 in that position isn't enough what else is there? Ofcourse the position is not easily "lost" or something but if that is your best prospect against a prepared opponent, it ain't it.
It's actually interesting. sorry for my comment above
I would 100% ignore whites pawns and move out bishop and queen against this opening as black, since the position is so open to checks on both sides of the board. My goal would be to take away the kings castleing-rights without being down material. Queen-trade or bishop-trade to force it would be just fine.
Bishop C5 as move 2 for black is the one I'd play, just by intuition. Stockfish also seem to think that it's losing for white in almost any line.
Bishop C5 as move 2 for black is the one I'd play, just by intuition. Stockfish also seem to think that it's losing for white in almost any line.
@hairbeRt interesting line I will add that (it is a sideline now)
@maxdribble you cant ignore the pawns most of the time, as the center would collapse
@RomanMauskopf It's ok
@maxdribble you cant ignore the pawns most of the time, as the center would collapse
@RomanMauskopf It's ok
@Ben2020Tor, you can 100% ignore the pawns with no problem. for white, pawn to G3 is pretty much forced after the black queen checks on H4 on move 3. Now the kingside is very open and when black points the queen towards the white queen, pinning the pawn in front on move 4, the situation seems close to lost for white.
@maxdribble which line is this may I know because it 2.Qh4+ is weak, but you said 3.Qh4+ so which line is it?
In the real King's Gambit Bf1 almost always goes to c4. Putting a pawn on c4 looks like a bad King's Gambit.
Very interesting, especially if black isn't prepared. To all the people that seem to think it's horribe, I just want to say that it can't be that much worse than the regular and famous King's gambit, which is a very popular opening. Nice Job!
@tpr yes that is a good point, however there is other compensation with the c pawn (as mentioned Qc2) and other ideas, such as better control of center and more, which is why it looks bad, but in reality is not so horrific, especially if not prepared.
@Schachspieler102 Thank you!
@Schachspieler102 Thank you!
Ben2020Tor - for black: bishop C5, when the other moves are done depends on what white does, but by checking on both sides with bishop or queen to "force" pawn-moves by white while you develop your knights in-between and take hanging pieces when you can, it was a pretty easy game against stockfish level 4 when I chose "play from this position".
Stockfish tells you white is better early on, but you can't really trust an engine until you are out of the opening. The engine is fooled by the fact that white have 1 extra pawn because of capture of the king's pawn at some point and "center-control", and engines are very materialistic when they calculate a position. the fact that white is about to over-extend pawns without developing pieces and weaken the kingside, the engine doesn't really take into consideration this early.
Stockfish tells you white is better early on, but you can't really trust an engine until you are out of the opening. The engine is fooled by the fact that white have 1 extra pawn because of capture of the king's pawn at some point and "center-control", and engines are very materialistic when they calculate a position. the fact that white is about to over-extend pawns without developing pieces and weaken the kingside, the engine doesn't really take into consideration this early.
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