What constitutes "public shaming"?

@A Lichess Moderator:

Thanks for your reply.

I did not “ridicule” anyone. And I personally don’t see why pointing out that someone’s account is banned is any less “nice and respectful” than, say, pointing out that someone “adopted” someone else in a bullet match.

But if Lichess has a clear policy about what is and isn’t “nice”, I will abide by it, even if my personal standards are different. If what you said is indeed Lichess’ official policy:

“When someone asks why they can't join a tourney you may politely point out their account is marked if that is the obvious reason. You are not allowed to accuse others or point out someone is marked other than the previous exception.”

Then this should be clearly written somewhere, and it should certainly be included in the “Public shaming” policy.

Thanks again,

Alex

First off - the commenters in the other thread (including myself) did not ridicule you either. We knew you were not acting in bad faith and just needed a heads-up on rules (cause indeed, it's not trivially clear how far the public shaming rule goes).

We just meant to point out that unsolicitedly dropping a banned person's name is
A) not necessary at all
B) at the risk of netting you a warning by Lichess moderation (good or bad faith doesn't matter, the rule is applied the same for everyone)

Yes we realize you're new and didn't intend to do anything wrong. Which is why we chose to explain it. As for adding more examples and exceptions to the tos and etiquette documents. I don't see that happening they are already long enough most people won't read them and if we spent another week thinking we could probably think of more. Communications decisions often depend largely on context.

@OjaiJoao (FM). I also don't understand all this fuss with public shaming about a cheater.

Be that as it may, a cheater is a cheater, no matter the cheat. Cheaters, sandbaggers, switch-laggers ... all of them use cheats in order to gain some advantage. The act of cheating on online chess servers is a plague. And the problem is that you can ban someone, close the account and after one second, the cheater will be playing with another new user account on the same server.

A cheater should be exposed to the rest of the "chess community" as a cheater. Also, his / her IP address should be flagged (privately) by the server, blocking the possibility to enroll in a new account. Sometimes, it seems that we are the cheaters and they are legit.

Not talking or sweeping under the carpet a subject won't vanish the issue. And cheating on online chess is more than an issue, is a plague.

Public shaming is when you accuse in public something that is a lie.
If someone is a known something and you say it in public, by definition is not defamation or shaming, there is no fame associated with that individual.
That is in the outside world.

The site has its own rules.
For instance, i have freedom of speech, and i can curse if i want to in my everyday activities, but the site has rules against cursing.
If the site has rules against stating someone is ___________ even if true, you just cant do it, not without getting penalized yourself.

Rules of the site dont necessarily apply to real life.

There is a couple of false positives. If you don't know now you know.

@Alientcp said in #15:
> Public shaming is when you accuse in public something that is a lie.

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