Speech policies too sensitive?

Hi,

if you want to keep communication authentic, you cant be too sensitive. I understand it is a fine balance, but yday i accused somebody of cheating, not insulting with "bad words" but more objective. My track record btw is now only 99%, but there are so many cheaters out there.

We played a short bullet match after and i apologised to him admitting my wrong conclusion.

He was friendly as well but likely reported me before we got friendly... fair enough...

Whenever i get accused it is basically a huge compliment for a great game and if i dont like a chat, i turn it off or block the member. Whats the big deal?

One thing that makes Lichess so great is the open source and "free for everybody" philosphy. Reason why i happily am a lifetime patron.

This doesnt give me any extra rights, which is a good thing and in line with the above.

I wonder how high the % of "insults" really is and how much moderation work is there. A bit of banter is what can give it spice.

There are sore losers, Carlsen is one of the biggest. You can disagree about "style", but there is a line of emotion that should be allowed, perhaps even welcomed .

I am simply worried that if i got a "warning" for this, what else is considered "offensive".

Did you accuse them of cheating in the public chat room? Lichess doesn't allow that because it could lead to innocent people getting publicly shamed.

You simply can’t accuse of cheating anywhere ,if it was allowed, the website would collapse into disarray!

What positive effect would you expect, if people were allowed to call their opponents "cheater"?

> You can disagree about "style", but there is a line of emotion that should be allowed, perhaps even welcomed .

Probably calling someone cheater should not be in this category.

@THE_STEWMAKER said in #1:
> [...] I wonder how high the % of "insults" really is and how much moderation work is there. A bit of banter is what can give it spice. [...]
>
Banter can be very difficult in an online environment. I'm probably heading for a warning too after one or two things I've said here recently. Our words, typed as text, are not softened by any glint in our eye or other subtle facial expressions. Smiley emoticons can help soften things but even they can be misconstrued as I discovered when I used the winking emoticon a few times when talking to someone recently and then got taken to task about it because the other person found it creepy.

I guess we learn by experience mostly.

But accusing someone of cheating is considered a serious allegation by most people and by the site itself, so you can best never do that in future.

clearly stated in TOS:
"Cheating accusations - The public accusation of a player suspected of cheating is not tolerated, and is bad sportsmanship. If you suspect a user of cheating, please report them via the icon on their profile page, or from the report page"

@sheckley666 said in #4:
> What positive effect would you expect, if people were allowed to call their opponents "cheater"?

It is called emotion, people have them sometimes. And if you suppress them and "professionalize", you end up with modern day chess where there are no "charakters" (think fisher, kasparov) anymore.

Fun, edginess, creativity, banter. Goes hand in hand with ugly things. Thats the deal. Or everybody is polite and sterile. On that spectrum i would appreciate more leniency in moderation.

Not about my case, i honestly dont care and do respect the rules here. I will simply press the button when i suspect next time. No big deal. I never chat anyways. And i will never report anybody for anything else than cheating. Imo that is for snitches.

This "warning" just caught my attention where the open-free lichess community can live by that spirit. And as somebody who happily supports with more than words, i simply wanted to voice my concerns.

Thanks for the answers!

> It is called emotion, people have them sometimes. And if you suppress them and "professionalize", you end up with modern day chess where there are no "charakters" (think fisher, kasparov) anymore.

I think if Hans Niemann saw this he'd be sad.

I got warned for using a word because it "sounds" bad, but really isn't. I won't type the word, but it you look it up on google, it means to act in a cautious or noncommittal way. Perhaps the grammar police should grab a dictionary before warning someone.