No big discussion is necessary.
Just a simple 'yes/no' sentence will suffice.
My answer:
No, but redemption should eventually be possible.
Just a simple 'yes/no' sentence will suffice.
My answer:
No, but redemption should eventually be possible.
Magnus does not owe Hans an apology. Rule breajers will be suspected and better get used to it.
But Hans maybe should not be excluded from every tournament. It depends what was at stake in the tournament he cheated in when he was 16. Did he deprive anyone of an award or money? If he wanted a title so his online business could take off, that is bad.
Redemption eventually, to an extent, but OK to not let him in online tournaments.
Studying chess takes a lot of time, often growing only 100 points per year. If cheaters are numerous enough to take rating points from people, that kills motivation. Could even explain some puzzle gap.
YouTube channels are competitive. If he boosted his rating to get in on that, taking viewers from others, that is bad. Same if he got titled or trophied.
Professional chess is such hard work that Magnus does not want to defend his title. This former cheater then insulted him by saying the chess speaks for itself. Magnus returned the slap.
Hans better not ask for an apology, unless he wants to apologize with more than just words.
But Hans maybe should not be excluded from every tournament. It depends what was at stake in the tournament he cheated in when he was 16. Did he deprive anyone of an award or money? If he wanted a title so his online business could take off, that is bad.
Redemption eventually, to an extent, but OK to not let him in online tournaments.
Studying chess takes a lot of time, often growing only 100 points per year. If cheaters are numerous enough to take rating points from people, that kills motivation. Could even explain some puzzle gap.
YouTube channels are competitive. If he boosted his rating to get in on that, taking viewers from others, that is bad. Same if he got titled or trophied.
Professional chess is such hard work that Magnus does not want to defend his title. This former cheater then insulted him by saying the chess speaks for itself. Magnus returned the slap.
Hans better not ask for an apology, unless he wants to apologize with more than just words.
I know people who are much stronger online than in person and avoid playing me in person. I beat the people they lose to in person. Some of the people I play say that they won't play online rapid because of the cheaters. They only play blitz online, or bullet.
There's only 1 problem with this: It's a rehash of your extremely extensive character assassination of GM Hans, which got 14 downvotes, and weirdly 2 upvotes. Do you consider that someone who cheats once when they're 12, is dedicated to it? Peace.
People who cheat should be punished severly enough to remember to not do the same blunder.
Should The Chess World Make It Easy For Carlsen to Accuse His Opponents Of Cheating?
@LegendaryQueen
1. Hans was banned twice. Once when he was 12, and once when he was 16. If his only infraction was at 12 years old, then I wouldn't be commenting on the matter, and it's unclear if Magnus would have quit the tournament.
2. Hans assassinated his own character when he chose to dedicate himself to years of cheating and disrespecting chess and other chess players.
3. My post had several upvotes and a heart, but they disappeared each time I edited.
4. If the chess world is finally taking a stand against cheaters and using Hans to send the message, then I support that initiative.
And again, I really can't stress this enough...If the last time he was caught cheating was when he was 12 years old, then I would be quietly watching and wondering why they're chastising someone for something that they did when they weren't even a teenager, yet.
As I understand it, he took 6 months off of making money from the chess world as a punishment.
And for the many people who've spent decades facing cheaters, suspecting cheaters, investigating cheaters, and banning cheaters (some of us pro-bono), many of us don't think that that is ample punishment compared to the damage that cheating causes chess.
Even this entire conversation is a result and direct consequence of people who choose to cheat.
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You're right!
"Why all of the hostility, negative attitude, and attacking?" - Legendary Queen (paraphrased)
I agree with this, fully. It is completely unnecessary and completely avoidable.
However, I see the reaction of the chess world to cheaters as a consequence of the first-cause hostility, negative attitude, and attack.
That first cause is the cheating itself, which is done by people like Hans, who spend years damaging the integrity of the game, damaging the positivity, disrespecting and insulting his peers, and causing ripple effects that culminate in this less-than-positive thread/conversation.
1. Hans was banned twice. Once when he was 12, and once when he was 16. If his only infraction was at 12 years old, then I wouldn't be commenting on the matter, and it's unclear if Magnus would have quit the tournament.
2. Hans assassinated his own character when he chose to dedicate himself to years of cheating and disrespecting chess and other chess players.
3. My post had several upvotes and a heart, but they disappeared each time I edited.
4. If the chess world is finally taking a stand against cheaters and using Hans to send the message, then I support that initiative.
And again, I really can't stress this enough...If the last time he was caught cheating was when he was 12 years old, then I would be quietly watching and wondering why they're chastising someone for something that they did when they weren't even a teenager, yet.
As I understand it, he took 6 months off of making money from the chess world as a punishment.
And for the many people who've spent decades facing cheaters, suspecting cheaters, investigating cheaters, and banning cheaters (some of us pro-bono), many of us don't think that that is ample punishment compared to the damage that cheating causes chess.
Even this entire conversation is a result and direct consequence of people who choose to cheat.
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You're right!
"Why all of the hostility, negative attitude, and attacking?" - Legendary Queen (paraphrased)
I agree with this, fully. It is completely unnecessary and completely avoidable.
However, I see the reaction of the chess world to cheaters as a consequence of the first-cause hostility, negative attitude, and attack.
That first cause is the cheating itself, which is done by people like Hans, who spend years damaging the integrity of the game, damaging the positivity, disrespecting and insulting his peers, and causing ripple effects that culminate in this less-than-positive thread/conversation.
@kenzaburo said in #6:
> Should The Chess World Make It Easy For Carlsen to Accuse His Opponents Of Cheating?
He only did it once to someone who insulted him after being lucky enough to be allowed in the tournament. Carlson played poorly because he is burnt out after years of playing honest chess. Hans is fresh.
> Should The Chess World Make It Easy For Carlsen to Accuse His Opponents Of Cheating?
He only did it once to someone who insulted him after being lucky enough to be allowed in the tournament. Carlson played poorly because he is burnt out after years of playing honest chess. Hans is fresh.
@Chesserroo2 until someone proves that Niemann cheated in his game against Carlsen, accepting that he cheated is just as good as accepting that Carlsen cheated but lost and rage quitted. Both are equally baseless. The only facts are that Niemann won and Carlsen did rage quit and started tweeting.
Caught twice and cheated twice are 2 different things.
How can viewers trust YouTube content creator's instruction if we don't know if they are using a computer? Even the small tournaments matter.
I do think if Magnus wanted Hans gone, he should have said so before playing him. But his attack was precipitated after the insult. If Hans wants to play in tournaments, he better stop with the put downs.
How can viewers trust YouTube content creator's instruction if we don't know if they are using a computer? Even the small tournaments matter.
I do think if Magnus wanted Hans gone, he should have said so before playing him. But his attack was precipitated after the insult. If Hans wants to play in tournaments, he better stop with the put downs.
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