I'm trying to learn the Budapest Gambit, any suggestions for lines to try when white prevents it?

Hi all,

So as per the title I've been trying to play the Budapest Gambit (having previously been a long-term Englund Gambit player against 1. d4, a fun but generally losing strategy, although I have learnt a lot about defending apparently hopelessly lost positions)!

Anyway, in a lot of games, white can obviously prevent the Budapest Gambit with e.g. 2. Nf3 or 2. Bf4 etc. and since I have no other line prepared I'm out of book already, which is generally bad on move 2 :)

Do you kind people have any suggestions for lines I can play into as black after 1.e4 Nf6 when I can't then go into the Budapest? Ideally I'd like a universal opening system rather than having to learn specific lines against each of Nf3, Bf4 etc. And I love trappy gambit lines but ideally one that is also played by top level players.

To give an idea of my preferences, as white I play into the Italian (aiming for fried liver, which I rarely get these days), and as black my main lines are Stafford Gambit & Englund Gambit (although I've recently switched to Sicilian & Budapest Gambit in an effort to play a bit more sensibly and to aim to improve my positional awareness rather than playing for tricks).

@Gusticus said in #1:
> I love trappy gambit lines but ideally one that is also played by top level players.

lol

@MrPushwood said in #2:
> lol

I'm surprised that an NM would not be aware of at least the Evans Gambit, the Smith Morra Gambit or the Vienna Gambit which are are all fairly solid gambits with some trappy lines played at the top level (at least occasionally)... :-)

Unfortunately the opening is sort of useless. Imagine you learn all theory of the budapest gambit and then your opponent just plays 2.Nf3 and you can go home.

@Gusticus said in #3:
> I'm surprised that an NM would not be aware of at least the Evans Gambit, the Smith Morra Gambit or the Vienna Gambit which are are all fairly solid gambits with some trappy lines played at the top level (at least occasionally)... :-)
I used to play the smith Morra gambit

@Gusticus - Here's a link, to a study guide for the Budapest gambit. Also a useful list of most all known chess gambits. - :]
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Gambit - and - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_gambits -
- The Budapest gambit was referenced in The Simpsons, in an episode called "The Cad and the Hat". Homer reveals himself to be a talented chess player. Upon taking down a chess hustler for $22, he chuckles and says: "Another victim of the Budapest Gambit!" - :]

Well, everything has "trappy lines." But when people refer to such stuff here, they're usually talking about junk.

@Skittle-Head said in #6:
> @Gusticus - Here's a link, to a study guide for the Budapest gambit. Also a useful list of most all known chess gambits. - :]
> - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Gambit - and - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_gambits -
> - The Budapest gambit was referenced in The Simpsons, in an episode called "The Cad and the Hat". Homer reveals himself to be a talented chess player. Upon taking down a chess hustler for $22, he chuckles and says: "Another victim of the Budapest Gambit!" - :]

Thanks @Skittle-Head! Fascinating reference to the Simpsons (awesome show, at least until season 12 or so...) :D

"Gib dir den Rest mit Budapest."

Matthias Deutschmann (aka "Fritz")

just dont play the budapest...problem solved :))