http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005468

"By September 1939, approximately 282,000 Jews had left Germany and 117,000 from annexed Austria. Of these, some 95,000 emigrated to the United States, 60,000 to Palestine, 40,000 to Great Britain, and about 75,000 to Central and South America, with the largest numbers entering Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Bolivia. More than 18,000 Jews from the German Reich were also able to find refuge in Shanghai, in Japanese-occupied China.

At the end of 1939, about 202,000 Jews remained in Germany and 57,000 in annexed Austria, many of them elderly."

So actually more Germany before the war than stayed. That's pretty impressive actually; more than I thought.


Yah, the Russians fought hard and the winters there are brutal. The German soldiers weren't outfitted for it.

"German ground troops, without adequate winter clothing, were suffering more casualties from frostbite than from enemy action."

http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/battles/winteroffensive41.htm


Here's another article worth reading; reminds me of several different conversations we've been having, going back to the war and balancing love thy neighbor as thyself with the need for order, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/opinion/brooks-the-follower-problem.html

Wow...yeah, I knew that Hitler guy was a real loudmouth XD, so I was hoping that many people got the gist. Makes me seriously rethink how that whole 1/3 of the world's total Jewish population thing came to be (the annihilation thereof I mean).

If the guy just planned the shit less arrogantly he would have sent them off during mid- to late-winter, and by the time the war ended, it would have been before the beginning of winter possibly XD. Too red-minded planning.

Sorry but I don't know that much about memorials. My latest school research project I chose to do was the Eisenhower memorial I think, though most of the others like those in Washington etc. I've not gotten to see. I do get that popularity tends to have an inverse relationship to essence in most cases. Even semi-popular people might have just kept to themselves otherwise.

Well, because a lot of the Jews that left Germany went to surrounding countries in Europe, and some were captured there. More significantly tho, there were a lot more casualties in other countries besides Germany. Poland alone lost 3 million Jews.

Even if Hitler had invaded Russia earlier, he would still have had to defeat the Russians, which would not have been easy to do, even if they had taken Moscow. The Russians had already planned for that.


"As the Red Army withdrew behind the Dnieper and Dvina rivers, the Soviet Stavka turned its attention to evacuating as much of the western regions' industry as it could. Factories were dismantled and packed onto flatcars, away from the front line, re-establishing it in more remote areas of the Urals, Caucasus, Central Asia and south-eastern Siberia. Most civilians were left to make their own way East as only the industry-related workers could be evacuated with the equipment, and much of the population was left behind to the mercy of the invading forces.

Joseph Stalin ordered the retreating Red Army to initiate a scorched earth policy to deny Germans and their allies basic supplies as they moved eastward."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Operation_Barbarossa:_Summer_1941


The point of the article wasn't memorials themselves, it was leadership and "followership".

Yeah duh I forgot about that...because, it's a given that Hitler's conquest was not limited to just the scope of Germany. So, when he captured parts elsewhere in Europe, he enforced the extermination there, too. Damn though, I heard it was 6 million Jews total. If that's true then Poland's populace was half that.

wow lol, yeah when I told Mom that I learned that Hitler set out to invade Russia, she was like wtfAHAHA that numbnuts (heh no but something like that).

Honestly I get too ADHD with blog posts it seems, but I do like reading into history about continental warfare like what you just linked about Operation Barbarossa. I didn't know that it was more harsh than that aside from reading that the majority deaths as a result of the world war were of the Russian populace. Guess the lengthy retreat-and-prevent manouvre described there sort of explains that.

Yah, and the siege of Leningrad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad

"The siege of Leningrad is the most lethal siege in world history"

"The 872 days of the siege caused unparalleled famine in the Leningrad region through disruption of utilities, water, energy and food supplies. This resulted in the deaths of up to 1,500,000[45] soldiers and civilians and the evacuation of 1,400,000 more, mainly women and children, many of whom died during evacuation due to starvation and bombardment."

"Reports of cannibalism appeared in the winter of 1941–1942, after all birds, rats, and pets had been eaten by survivors.[48] Hungry gangs attacked and ate defenceless people.[49] Leningrad police even formed a special unit to combat cannibalism.[50]

Imagine a city with no birds

Sounds like there were a lot of birds to me. Bunch of people eating up all the birds, then running over to the next human to eat and pushing the other guy out of the way *flips him the bird* HAHA me first!!

On the History channel though I do remember seeing some shit about that in the nineteenth century though, remains in a cold winter of cannibalism with a hole right through the guy's skull and all that shit.

I barely even remember hearing about that siege before though man damn.

"It has been reported that Adolf Hitler was so confident of capturing Leningrad that he had the invitations to the victory celebrations to be held in the city's Hotel Astoria already printed."

poop. :)

History is full of interesting memories of human nature :)

"Where there's a will, there's a way"

Much of history as we know it is made up of human nature because we mostly think of it in terms of living interactions that interest us. They're more useful than others to us for reasons behind a saying such as the one you just gave, which I never did completely absorb XD.

Well, "the thing speaks for itself" is usually a better explanation for me than this or that rationalisation after the fact.

or, to quote God, "I am that I am" :D