No resentment taken :D
kinda helps when you follow along to begin with, dunno why everyone would just rather sit back and let this stuff fly, nothing that wrong with it but, lets conversations get out of your control XD
mb Apr 9, 2012 12:39 PM #82
well, in nearly every case of an account i've closed i haven't regretted it. i closed my account here once and did have it reopened; but then closed it again (a few months ago) and haven't wished it
back open since. i can still talk on the forums and i can still play chess; why do i need an account? :D to police the place? i ain't got the time or the will for that anymore
there was another site i played at; closed my accounts, then they did a registration stop, which sucked; but it's probably just as well, because i wasted a ton of time there too. (games.asobrain.com)
the social bullshit i do without; i had a facebook account for like a week or two once; was boring.
you're right that with love the road is much slower and that's how it's supposed to be (otherwise you're not doing it right).
Well, English is just another language in a way, and I only speak 2 languages so I can't really say for sure; then again, it is the "lingua franca" of the developed world (kind of ironic - or
appropriate? - that that expression is not strictly english itself).
"if you have x = 0 in the domain of solutions you have a range of values to test for which x is unequal" wat (i don't really speak math)
yah, i agree that most people have a sense things are not right; the numbers don't lie, at any rate, and it's hard to ignore them.
the compromise block was in reference to:
"...yet, 'going with the flow', 'blending it', and 'going crazy to stay sane' seem to help us survive in the environment. We even learn a little bit about the devil's part even if going crazy is so
maybe i misunderstood you; yes, the word means many things; we can compromise ourselves, which is bad; or we can compromise with others, which is sometimes good.
that's interesting that you equate "crazy" with "adventure". tho again, terms can be confusing. i looked up crazy and the first def. says "mentally deranged, demented". the thing is, if society
itself is what's become demented, and you accept it at face value, then you're insane even if it takes no amount of adventure to get there (and even tho society would consider you normal, because you
think like it does).
hmm, in terms of feeling absence or not; a clearer way to see it is by substituting "life" for "feeling". we always feel life; we just don't always self-consciously do so (only sometimes). when our
self-conscious feeling of life disintegrates, it is not forever (anymore than one life is forever) because new self-consciousnesses are constantly originating and growing. it's the only way we could
grow again, and growing is what we love to do - life is worth dying for)
our sense of self does remain the same in a way, as it changes.
you're right about the light (without reflection, without memory); it is a fundamental basis of our being. tho why would evil fear the non-memory of the past? I think it would be the opposite; evil
fears memory, because if it's evil, that means they've done something wrong (of which they'll have a memory). we need to forget some things to simply function; we remember what we can and what we
must (good things are good to remember; and remembering some bad things is necessary too at times, to help inform us for the future).
only faulting faults is faultless could be as simple as, why spend energy when you don't need to? "judge not" is not accurate, because we do need some judges among us to keep the place well ordered.
as for the spider, you make it sound like it is an object of our awareness, which it is, but we are also an object of its (and to it, we are something like god then dispensing judgement). i don't see
how killing a spider would lead to being reincarnated as one; we kill lots of things (collectively, even more); it's not possible to be reincarnated into every one; or, maybe rather, we are every
object then (human and animal alike - judge and sacrifice) of a greater awareness.
I don't know if cows are holy, but they are tasty. I think it would be peaceful at times to fly (like float on the wind anyway).
i think that is partially true (that our desires are counterbalanced). however, not necessarily simultaneously or altogether. perhaps there is something fundamentally selected for (life, love?) that
is never fully counterbalanced. like, sure, spring blooms and fall fades, but the roots remain, and seeds supercede. also, good is stronger than evil.
I would agree with that take on luck. I prefer the word fortune tho, because luck implies a randomness that isn't present. action does lead to good fortune, tho sometimes passivity does too, when
the time or person calls for it. and suffering leads to refinement which can lead to good fortune too, sure. too much suffering, however, i would say is bad luck, or unfortunate (on the local level
I dunno why they lit him on fire (revenge for what?) and I don't really want to know either. Ignorance is indeed bliss at times; there's no winning this thing on either "side" that i can see (i think
practically the entire project is a write off); i'm just looking to survive.
you're right in a way, that "nobody's safe in a world like that"; but we also have a choice whether to stay in that "world" or, if we don't belong among the recriminations, to find safety and shelter
among cooler heads (antarctica, perhaps). as for worrying about loneliness, there are always going to be good people out there who can coexist, and even so, maslow's hierarchy of needs does not allow
us the luxury of worrying about abstractions when our lives are at risk.
it is natural for most to be war-averse; then again, it is also natural and necessary for some among us to be open enough to the possibility, the inevitability even, to study and prepare accordingly.
hehe, true words. Naturally when all things submerge, there is nothing to fear with deleting or closing the accounts. I just prefer to have the option (especially if I know I'm going to do something
to get banned otherwise lol). It's not a question of minimal versus maximal interference since you just feel like there's no reason not to.
Well I certainly agree there. I really don't see what impresses everyone with Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, etc. but a series of social-club-elitists on the Internet merely existing on them as shadows
to boost their feeling of eminence for anti-depression. I hated registering on YouTube and goddammit I shouldn't have done it, it was just so I could try to get in touch with someone. Though it's
always possible to close accounts there as well.
When we have fun, time tends to fly, but with love, romance transcends fun or boredom. Even without the moments of torture...indeed...it feels..."slower"
Makes sense. IIRC was it, five languages that were based on / used the Latin language. German, Spanish, French, English, uh, Italian was it? idk but among those English is certainly the more
Though ASCII is becoming obsolete to Unicode, as if that itself isn't getting reception, by practitioners of certain instances of Japanese and Korean writing.
>> "if you have x = 0 in the domain of solutions you have a range of values to test for which x is unequal" wat (i don't really speak math) <<
heh, it's somewhat abstract terminology, but the domain of a function is referred to a set of all legal quantities that may be inputted into one of its variables/parameters, while the range refers to
all possible outputs that could ever result of the function
!!! but basically all I meant is that, "'Is' and 'isn't' produce each other," because for each positive definition, you know how to reverse- or negative-define. ...heh, guess I'm not the concrete
thinker that you are; systematic definition over examples and concepts seem to be in my favor...well, how else to put this ??
When you know this shit is gay, you know it's not straight.
But then again you conversely know that it also is.
Oh yeah, that.
"Compromise" is accurate. [guess I just wasn't immediately sure since your block-for-block responses weren't in the linear order of mine]
Love can show us how to change ourselves, but when time is moving rapidly, we compromise ourselves rapidly. Certainly, without love for anything, we have no positively influencing passion to seek out
any change that doesn't conduct itself on us.
probably wrong about some of that though, it's one of those things I collect out of intuition rather than logic and experience
Yeah well, adventuring can either be the ambition of taking yourself into the dreamland of insanity or being insane among that land so as to be crazy to them and go out of there. :) I guess the
difference is that adventure is about change, while crazy just means you're a dumbass (no jk, but I had no idea that was an actual dictionary context XD).
Heh, in that one block about self-consciousness fading in exchange for the uprising of children self-consciousnesses, you kind of left a hanging terminal parenthesis ')', but hell, like you said, more
than one life is forever. The life of a parenthesetic- '()' delimited message never ends so long as the sub-categorization itself had been defined, in which smaller units which may be defined into
those more-so are defined. :D
Not really a comparison though when I look at what you said as "[the] life [of others] is worth dying for".
Well doesn't that mean if they fear the memory of something evil that evil did, that they must also have some good if they have the conscious so as to at least know it's wrong? A light-minded person
may be light-hearted and without concern for past or even directly the future, following only heart. An evil-minded person will treat even the memory of the past as power that should not be
forgotten, and obsess over things like having accounts that can be closed but never closing them XD (well meh I mean I've done it before) :P
Sorry I can't remember but it might have been "Judge lest not ye be judged" or "Judge[,*] not..." but not "judge not" as its own command.
Anyway either way, I hadn't questioned the wording that you may be reincarnated to what you kill, but maybe that was to assume for what type of reincarnation. We may feel the moment of one in an
afterlife outside the body of what we killed; simply having the bodily reincarnation of what we kill is not the suggested sacredness. But really damn I haven't learned about this shit since I was
eleven, so it may be one of those things where my memory took an axe to the ass-end of the crack. But I never smoked back then either. :)
Hmm...floating on the wind, I guess we kind of always do that XD it's peaceful in the sense that we are not necessarily moving in the planar dimension as we're floating (e.g., this great big
planet-sized rock floating right under my ass), but ambitious in that if we are flying it may be with the ambition to do so. But...I don't know how ambition is defined actually, what it is that
constitutes it. Point is that yes cows are tasty but we aren't at the peace of mind desiring what we're not then again either =D
Kind of like this mouse I'm using...the mouse is at peace because it's floating but not when it's flying, because when it's flying I'm scraping its plump ass across my desk, yet it feels peaceful in
some bliss contently knowing that it has a bunch of shit up its ass.
Yeah I guess that's true...and they're certainly not counterbalanced simultaneously in every dimension (e.g. time). Equally...well Newton's, shit, was that his first law, or did he just count to
three and say fuck this shit, well either way, but no two things are completely equal in every dimension. I don't know that good is stronger than evil, but I can take your word for it. :D I don't
know if it's that whole yin-yang thing about my Gemini air sign or wat but I don't really get to decide which one is currently in session XD
Well I guess, randomness is present either everywhere or nowhere :D, one of those two. I feel like it's the later (or it's that dumbass latter ladder again), but it's certainly apt to use to degrade
an event as "random/coincidental" since most people figure there's no less specific word to use to criticize. Heh, but anyway, I've been a lazy-ass for a long time, and I don't know too many times
where laziness or passivity has led me to good fortune. :D But I get the possible instances behind what you may be saying.
Yeah not much to say on that last bit near the end since, slow as I interpret, I recognize it. A good person is necessarily good at creating, so loneliness is not the biggest worry. And no matter
how unsafe we are in the present world, we can always forge another one with our dreams as long as they thrive on, though the maintenance of either is not necessarily a necessity. I wouldn't have the
skin to move to Antarctica, though; I'd have to be crazy to be mass-steamrolling masses of text in such a continental thread XD
Yeah I mean we can't be 100% tolerant throughout our lives because most of us don't have instincts that allow all sorts of things being done to us. Tolerating the door to be closed on you all the
time is being trapped in the same space without movement. So we have fights and thoughts and wars and such, but people try to put such a negative context on "arguments" and such.
mb Apr 10, 2012 11:45 AM #84
I wouldn't really call them elitists, since almost everybody's doing it. I see what you're saying tho (everybody writing about themselves, convinced it's worth doing or of some greater importance).
German isn't a latin-based language (Romance language); Portuguese instead. English isn't really either, as it's a combination of Romance languages, Greek, and old German/old English/Scandinavian,
etc. Plus, the Normans were actually Scandinavians who made their way thru France (Romance language) before they arrived in England. It gets confusing, and English is a confusing language at first
I see what you're saying about the math. I figured it was something like that. I like examples and metaphors too, but in that case it was unclear.
We change regardless; the tao equates love with Te, I think. it is one step below Tao, which is equivalent to "the way", ie. just what it is.
I think the critical difference between somebody who's truly crazy is that they have no choice in the matter. somebody said, "insanity is not a disease that recognises itself as such" or something
like that; whereas when you go on an adventure you're usually aware of it (and often it is intentional).
hmm, I dunno how that parenthesis ended up like that. in the greater scheme of things, yah, it's whatever and ever. syntax was never the point of communication anyway. the lives of others are worth
dying for, and so is one's own. without those parenthesis, our life would be impossible to define. there is no meaning without restriction. absence and fulfillment go together.
We all have good in us, even the most evil, and vice versa; by saying "an evil person" what we mean is somebody who's net influence is negative, or something like that. i think evil is a corruption
of good (like satan was a fallen angel). the good is inherent, and therefore that recognition is reflexive and more or less unavoidable.
In theory you may be right; a light-hearted person follows heart and doesn't mind the past or future; in reality tho, if we care about ourselves, our family, our friends, and our neighbors, etc. then
we have to plan, don't we? at least in this day and age. and in order to plan we must remember.
I misread what you wrote the first time re: judge not. what you're saying makes more sense. that we must judge what requires it, otherwise we'll be judged for not doing so.
Or maybe we feel the killing simultaneously while we're alive; I still think it's right tho, if you're killing something that whose influence is net negative (ie. in that case you're performing a good
It could be ambition then is a reflexive trait as well; does a bird choose to be a bird? our ascent into heaven as a bird or something could be the culmination of a karmic journey, or something like
that (or maybe not the culmination but another step - who's to say what's beyond).
In terms of peace of mind, there's more than one kind of movement; the earth floats, yes, but there are swirls therewithin. and it is not a struggle to inhabit those spaces, but part of the process.
It could be said that we are at peace in motion (because that fulfills the part of us that wants to move), or it could be said that we are at peace when we are at rest (the fulfillment of gravity).
either way we're never fully fulfilled, and at peace, because we're being pulled in opposite directions (energy and gravity); but that's how life works. we don't desire things we already have, and we
can't have it fully both ways at once. I'd still like to fly.
randomness is one of those functional illusions imo. like free will; we can't see the strings, so we must operate as if they don't exist for the most part, even if they do. it's how we understand
things sometimes, by the admission that we don't understand them.
right. nature will preserve what and how. and, as you said before, we are also fully safe; depends on perspective (local vs global); life is eternal. maybe our dreams are preserved for a while, who
knows. "Tao endures. Your body dies. There is no danger." this is true for all of us eventually.
'In Being's floods, in Action's storm,
I walk and work, above, beneath,
Work and weave in endless motion!
Birth and Death,
An infinite ocean;
A seizing and giving
The fire of Living:
'Tis thus at the roaring Loom of Time I ply,
And weave for God the Garment thou seest Him by.'
-goethe via carlyle
I wouldn't worry too much about it; there is a season for everything; we just go with the flow. inhale, exhale
Seriously man? How is English not a Latin-based language? I don't know Latin though lol, as goes without saying, but I figured you'd know more XD. Though technically, I did read that those older
Germanic dudes influenced what later became the English language. I don't remember much about Latin roots residing equally as well in German, though, just a bunch of god-damned long-ass words.
Well yeah it's not possible for them to all be *relative* elitists, but yeah I guess I lost my precise train of thought from the nearsighted focus on specific examples. :D I mean if I want attention
and shit, there's one of the things I believe is about work and efforts, not just socializing and all that. I'm constantly working on software and stuff, anything worth advertising is anything worth
joining social sites to boast shit about, but if no hard work was put in then who gives a fuck about FB and all that jazz because people just use that stuff to find IRL photos of people they hate over
the Internet anyway.
As much unnatural as I've always been to begin with when it comes to reading things in, a select portion of some metaphors or examples you give causes me to spend a lot of time sorting through an
array of perspectives I have a hard time deciding on. I use examples myself as if that went without saying, but usually more for the lulz. I have this habit of trying to just define things
literally...eh, maybe it's all the computer programming stuff hitting my head. ;P But yeah, is and isn't produce each other, because it is impossible to define either one without defining the other.
Granted in some perspectives, both "true" and "false" are equal results of a statement or condition.
Well there's no question that we change no matter what. I can't help but view myself as a different person every day :D as if my personality itself changes with respect to who I am talking to, like
some inversional impulse. Of course many things hold the same, like the fact that I can't stfu when I'm openly interested in one or more subjects. I guess what I was saying before was about love
being usable to show us how to change ourselves at will, for a particular goal or change, but meh, I just wanna be the brains of what I do personally. :D
Heh...yeah, y didn't I think of that XD
Usually if we're purely crazy we're not in the position to recognize or admit it, or at least in a consciousness that we maintain. Usually when I do things like compare "crazy" and "on an adventure"
I am always light-minded on the simple perspective that everything is true and false in its own right and focus more on the trues rather than the falses, but it's usually fairly obvious that a crazy
bitch will do some crazy shit but not even care that it's not actually going anywhere.
So you're saying, with parenthesis as the syntactical example, no life can be defined without some kind of delimiting boundary used in the definition? Like, if 'life' was generalized to unrestricted
eternity, it would be an undefined entity?
Hm, so even though one's evil is bound as (basically just) corrupted good in some spirit, it is still technically considered "good"? That-a make a-me think a-lots !! It's no wonder I take such
pleasure in being an ass XD
Yeah that's true. We could still use the heart to try to help the lives of others in the future, even without knowing it or worrying deeply on the matter, but we can still use intelligence to plan
for the future and/or remember the past and strategically live for the lives of others, in the fashion of service. Kind of like getting paid to program software XD but a more trivial example. And
besides, with the whole evil being a mathematical operation on good, while still having good subsetted somehow I guess, I'd be hard-pressed to consistently argue one's value of the past to be
singularly tied to either =D
Heh, my initial take on it was like, take the initiative in judging someone else before you get judged...it's not really different from what your explanation conveys there but more like, I thought it
was some sort of socially competitive thing or something XD. Yet I remembered it and figured what you were saying before had some representation to it.
Meh.....I try reeeeally hard to avoid having to kill anything, but I'm a total pestiphobe or w/e the hell and arachnophobe. Indeed, a part of me feels like I simultaneously feel the killing that I
just committed when I get fly guts on my skin :) fortunately I've never had to do that for a while. Man am I one of the juiciest blood targets for dem mosquitoes though, jesus.
Well when you put it in the context of "ascension into heaven" I guess I do have to wonder why in Bhuddism a cow is the next closest result to heaven after death in measure of good deeds. Cows only
fly in those spectacular circus cannons that clowns invent. (Hey, Judge Judy should ask me when do cows fly after pointing out that I'm a lying bitch and that I broke somebody's iPhone.) Birds can
fly on just ambition.
Hm...plus, we're never completely still as a stone statue except for those really trained dudes. I can't hold still when I'm excited with my projects xD, so it's more consistent that we move than try
to stay still and resist our biological tendencies. Although with meditating and shit like that, it goes either way in the way you explained. So yeah in that perspective I guess it would be more
like flying being at peace.
Come to think about it...I'm not even sure what free will is supposed to mean. As far as I know my will, what I want, what I have the ambition for etc. is defined only by myself, so other than that I
don't see how it's not free...idk wtf that term means anymore. But yeah, "randomness" is a generalization disillusioned only upon realizing that information is simply not known (or how to describe it
without going into detail...thibault's addicted to that lmao, idk high-level language shit). I don't know stuff like, how random number generators work, but they themselves definitely have a
technical algorithm interdependent of the flow of other software states, or so I've read.
Not to mention, we always live on in the memory of someone else, to be sure, if not the memory of someone influenced inherently by that someone else, or even further sub-setted leaves of the tree.
But that is a great poem...no perspective I would have seen the eternity through on my own for certain. Not all things are, can, or need to be directly reasoned to us; sometimes feeling is all we
["there is a season..." that reminds me of this song I'd use to keep hearing as a li'l kid, "There is a season; turn, turn, turn...," some other shit I can't remember offhand, I Google lyrics to find
mb Apr 11, 2012 12:06 PM #86
English is technically a West-German language, tho of course it contains influences from many different languages, including Latin, Greek, etc.
Right, like "this statement is false". Linear consistency is something of a necessary illusion. Even logic is circular (conclusions referring to their own premises). The idea then that we can
"prove" things with logic is limited, because we don't prove premises; for example, we are alive before we think about it; therefore thought and logic is always after the fact. Some things exist to
begin with, and that's where faith comes in.
How can love be used to show us how to change ourselves at will? In my experience love operates reflexively; when it become superintentional or transactional, then it loses its essential spirit.
We do change constantly (sometimes gradually, other times back and forth [sleep/wake, etc.]), and we also stay the same - seeing thru the same eyes, with the same ego, etc., more or less.
I focus on the trues too, because what else can we do? falses are null program, the road to nowhere.
Well, yah; "man was the product of God's curiosity about Himself" is one way to put it. Without differentiation there's nothing to reflect and there's nothing to reflect on.
yah, that's one way to see it. the default is love, life, and good; nobody wants to be bad, or hateful, or dead, but sometimes things are what they are; negativity clarifies and refines the
foundation, and that energy is liberated, purified, and recycled; in the greater sense of things it's all working together towards the same end (endless end).
The reason why love, life, and good is the default is because, "A law of nature is at work here. Evil is not destructive to the good alone but inevitably destroys itself as well. For evil, which lives
solely by negation, cannot continue to exist on its own strength alone." - i ching
if evil were ever to even reach parity, the entire project would be annihilated - and it never is (because "nothing comes from nothing" and here we are still).
Yah, I don't like killing either but if it poses a danger I have no choice; and if it's buzzing around (fly or misquito) fucking up my equilibrium then it's either going outside or it's going to die.
ants i don't mind so much. it's the buzzing (the sound and the sight - like a free radical in my thoughts) that i can't stand. while we're at it, an aside; did you know that only female mosquitoes
I dunno; cows remind me of whales I guess, which also somewhat represent the apex of evolution in the oceans; they're super large and they just float about chilling; the biggest ones don't even have
teeth. like tons of calm energy or something; then again, sperm whales dive thousands of meters and eat the fuck out of squid, so it's not all daydreams and flowers.
lulz, i tried yoga once or twice and meditation too but it's boring which is annoying; i feel much more free when i'm doing something fun (like play certain sports); the exercise is better too because
you're moving your body holistically and naturally/reflexively. the workout is pure and yet incidental to the game.
Right, our thoughts are the culmination of recorded history and the various disciplines and studies that we've committed to record. Newton said he could only see that far because he stood on the
shoulders of giants. the interesting thing for me is when we no longer need to record history and learn from it; indeed, when it is in our interest to forget what we've learned. probably after the
extinction, when population pressures strongly recede; and we can hunter/gatherer around for another 100k years or so, whatever in relative peace and stasis.
I do the same;
based on the book of ecclesiastes (they never taught this one in bible school; i had to read it on my own)
Well that was an interesting read. So it wasn't even decided that "England" or "English" were even labels until the basis from the Angles that settled in the British isles. I guess no land has pure
natives of their nation anymore XD.
Interesting...I have that habit of using "linear consistency" while programming, just for legibility, yet, it's not an accurate reflection of anything at all so is basically an illusion. I guess all
of what you say there is true.
Actually it reminds me how about what I learned from Geometry class about hypotheses.
A theorem is rule "logically" proven to be true.
Postulates (a.k.a. axioms) are rules assumed to be true.
So like an example of a postulate/axiom, one of them was called the "segment addition postulate".
If you have a line segment bound by points A, B, and C, then its length can be defined using AB + BC = AC.
But can we prove this rule is true? idk lol...we might call this a "logical assumption".
But "theorems" are proven statements based on those axioms, which in the way that you've explained, are still in accordance to "circular logic".
Hm, if someone has love with respect to something, I think there is a dream. Because things are constantly changing, that person becomes adaptable by love, where one with hatred is inflexible and
changed by the self rather than by the will of the self. Of course maybe I'm still not quite answering your question. :P
Heh...I guess it's sort of like how Morpheus put it in The Matrix Reloaded XD.
"Some things never change, and some things do."
Even though every fragment of time something just got done changing about us, I guess so long as we're alive there are a few things that forever hold constant. Though until then, it's that inhale and
exhale cycle you were smoking before (err I mean describing xD).
ya focusing on the trues "should" be the correct tendency I think, at least for directly achieving a result, since anything could be said or explained as a false statement in its own perspective (even
if it's a really cruel one), like "Our organs are still functioning / we're alive," generalizes from how every object may already have "function" in no different way than do our organs, or maybe the
part of us that is dead is what makes us feel life because we feel incomplete in some fashion, but love is helps us see laws, while hatred lures a tendency to think more about what's false.
"Man was the product of God's curiosity about Himself," sounds spot interesting. :D Well I couldn't have created my current life without being curious about myself. I didn't know shit about the kinds
of hobbies I'm into now until I wanted to challenge my limitations of being able to excel them. Although specifically I couldn't tell which block that was in reply to because goddamn this forum needs
a quote tag feature
Indeed, a completed evil comprises selfishness as well which does not aid in the consideration to preserve or respect other things outside of the self, so evil overtakes itself.
I guess that if evil ever were to reach the analogous equality of good then that would be the occurrence of that endless end. It would no longer be a filter and recycle kind of thing as you put it if
both reached a position where either has an equal chance of overtaking the other at the front, um if that didn't mean them completely canceling one another.
My mom told me that a year or two back, actually, yeah. Supposedly it's only the females that suck blood, on the topic of when I noticed I had a mosquito in my room in one of the places I had lived
before. Yet I didn't have any mountain-sized bumps on me or any mosquito eggs injected into me. So we thought it was probably a male, though I don't know how rare that's supposed to be or what. But
yeah man, same here, even though I hate the idea of anything really nasty looking on the floor that could potentially come in contact me, it's just the buzzing and flying around that makes me want to
bomb the whole place just so I can do my work in peace.
lol! I don't really know why it's funny but it sounded that way XD "Cows remind me of whales I guess," I mean it's obviously true. heh except for a small dis-proportionality of size, but hell, maybe
some cows will evolve to sperm cows that dive thousands of metres underground like one of them Sandslash Pokémon, nibble some squid/worms, and jump back up to the surface like a mastah n1nj4ah11!11
and continue mooing as normal. :)
Hm, so you mean it's possible that in a less busy / populated world, we do better to forget history and relive anew? Being that in a much more populated world life always continues for us as in the
memory of others who had known us.
And yeah, that was definitely the song. :D
How do you know that song was based on that stuff at that biblegateway page? It sure looks like it...
And my mom listens to Pink Floyd a lot, but I can't remember if that was one of the ones she'd keep playing. I'd probably know for sure, but if she wants to play old-sounding stuff she'll usually
like warn us like OMG cover your ears kids so I guess not.
mb Apr 12, 2012 1:22 PM #88
Hmm, that's a good way to say it; love is flexible (while hatred is not). This makes sense when you think of love as making positive connections (which involves allowing others to connect to you, and
possibly change you).
Love helps us see laws, yes; it's also a question of refinement. We all have love in abundance as children, but we don't really understand things yet then. The pressures of developing allow us to
weigh and consider and to discard what is false and superfluous; what remains (in ourselves, in the world) is what is true and essential, and still rooted in love.
Evil equal to good would mean completely canceling out, methinks; but it never happens. in the big crunch the entire universe turns dark except for a tiny point of energy and light; and that is
enough to start the thing going again.
In a less busy/populated world we wouldn't really need to study so much; "necessity is the mother of invention" and there would be much less necessity. Plus, if we're talking about something abrupt,
then following the current model wouldn't really be an option. I don't know which one would be preferable; I like civilisation and the many things it has on offer (cars, airplanes, the internet
[basically telepathy]). on the other hand, a simple, natural life has its advantages too.
from the i ching:
"When, in accord with this, movement follows the law of heaven, man is innocent and without guile. His mind is natural and true, unshadowed by reflection or ulterior designs. For wherever conscious
purpose is to be seen, there the truth and innocence of nature have been lost."
it's that or sail to the moon and mars; at which point we would scatter and start over like we did on earth in the beginning.
or maybe we stay here, and whoever is left after the apocalypse or whatever flies around in solar powered flying cars and communicates using virtual reality internet, etc. and eventually the machinery
wears out and we return to nature;
or maybe the big crunch is ahead of us first and we have to go thru that before we reemerge in another big bang and eventually cool off enough and get twisted again and become the first humans with
blank slates, etc.
that, and I've read Ecclesiastes :)
That Pink Floyd song is from when Syd Barrett was still writing for and leading the band. It was early on, from the album The Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
My mom raised us on Simon and Garfunkel, and of all the hippie acts I think they were the best (Pink Floyd was more intellectual, imo; Dylan, more political; but S & G made the best music).
Then in that sense I guess it'd be more like, love allows us to be changed from relations that we control, while hatred causes us to be changed from the chaos of something else, or whatever, more than
it allowing us to see how we can change ourselves. Although I still find that plausible.
I seem to have a tough time discarding what's false and superfluous xD since I have a small array of beliefs or values, except for getting pissed at shit. Can't totally be a child forever though I
guess. :) But, yeah. When you put it like that, I feel like the whole process-of-elimination algorithm is cut down a lot, after maturing into somebody that can love someone truly, instead of thinking
with so many curiosities and uncertainties.
According to Greek mythology, chaos or primordial darkness was what gave birth to night and, uh, something else, I forget, so even if good and evil would cancel each other out, that (tiny) methinks
would be the minimal size hopefully of that beam of light to restarting things on the ultimate end.
Well yeah, without nearly as much people, then at most there is but for them to be "invented" later, which essentially proves that there is less necessity. Oh but it'd be like one of those Y2K things
or whatever if it was abrupt, so that wouldn't be very good.. The world isn't quite the stage for our performances with a to-natural cut like that.
"...movement follows the law of heaven, man is innocent and without guile. His mind is natural and true, unshadowed by reflection or ulterior designs."
Haha, all of that sounds like, the opposite of me or something. Well not really, I mean I know I feel very eccentric about some of my ambitions, dreams and goals. "For wherever conscious
purpose is to be seen, there the truth and innocence of nature have been lost." And I guess that was the piece of the puzzle you mentioned before hehe.
It's one of those ancient-ass sounding ideas, but maybe when the oscillation crunches in on us before expanding again into the next big bang, is when good and evil reach an equality of sorts, in that
they're squished together with little space to retain their differences, until they become one, and then the whole reset. Sounds like some caveman shit, but I feel like thinking about it anyway XD.
Either way hopefully it's not that whole Y2K-like possibility, no Internet or electronics etc., like that one Family Guy episode XD.
My oh my...I dunno anything about any of those artists or the Escalators. err, ellipsoids. err, "Ecclesiastes" XD; actually I think I've heard me mom talk about Dylan, but I could only guess your
parents are older than mine.